Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. The comments below have not been moderated. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head . Neil. Heres hoping one day soon Muriel gets some semblance of justice. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. I appealed that decision and was then informed that as the information I requested was kept in paper format in various locations in South Wales then it would be too costly and time-consuming to check out so the request was denied. However, the BBC documentary Darklands shown in November 2020 identified Ronald Harries who murdered his aunt and uncle as Muriels killer, and a cousin of Harries was shown in the documentary and was expected to give DNA to prove or disprove the theory.. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. On the back of the coat, a no-longer-visible semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Positive reviews really help others find our show. Although an extensive investigation was conducted that involved the police visiting every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles and interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire, the case that has become known as theLittle Red Riding Hood Murder remains unsolved. Murder of 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946 is being probed 73 years later Police thought a stain on Muriel's coat would link death to Harold Jones But they have now confirmed a test. 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As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Victor told me that he had seen a T.V. "The farm was a painful place for my grandparents to be," said Martin, who still keeps a little battleship toy that Muriel had given him. And I also think there are likely more victims. Up Next. Norah Irene Bartlett. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. Police and soldiers search the area for clues of Muriel's murder, A picture of Muriel's schoolmates with flowers for her grave, Freda Burnell (left) and Florence Little (right) - Jones' first victims, At 35-years-old Jones is released from prison, only to vanish. What a big moment in this case! Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. "Looking through the paper work, we could see the materials had left the crime scene, where it had gone, where it had been examined. The police found the murder weapon in the undergrowth near where Muriels body had been discovered. Lloyd-Evans told me that he was convinced that a suspect regarding Muriels murder would soon be identified through D.N.A. Find records of Muriel Drinkwater . Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater (Welsh: Llofruddiaeth Muriel Drinkwater),[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. 2023 The True Crime Files. "(The murder) turned our family upside down and has been talked about through the generations. I am leaning towards it being a targeted attack, in part because of the positioning of the perpetrator as you mentioned. "And we know, even though it had been 60 years since it went into storage, that it is hers. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. There is no doubt about that.". Something went wrong, please try again later. Also that they likely watched Muriel and knew her route. It was supposed to have been abandoned in 1944 but I know there were GIs who married Swansea girls still around in 1946. I guess a DNA test of Sheila Martin must have been taken to see if it was the same person. Police confirmed a cold case review on the stain found on Muriel's coat in 1946 had now been tested by forensics teams. Moments before being brutally attacked, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater had waved to her mother, who stood at the kitchen window, as she made her way home from Gowerton High School along the long path that led to the family home. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater 's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Video, 00:01:28The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives, View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. And no idea and Japanese workers. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA Daily Mail article, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder Sword and Scale article, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police The Sunday Times article. For decades, a key person of interest in Muriels murder has been Hubert Hoyles. Some people turn to the murder weapon for answers and suggest that the killer was either an American serviceman who had previously been stationed at Penllergaer or that an American soldier may have sold the gun to the perpetrator in the village. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. 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He could not be placed at the scene, and the DNA ruled him out of the investigation. To see documentary google Dark Lands Muriel Drinkwater iplayer. Who sodomises a 12 year old girl and batters her about the head, then shoots her twice in the chest? She had been raped, bludgeoned about the head and shot twice in the chest. Birth: 16 Jan 1878: [12][13], For more than a decade, Welsh true crime author Neil Milkins theorised that notorious child murderer Harold Jones (19061971) was responsible for the murders of both Martin and Drinkwater. - Listen to The Unsolved Murder of Muriel Drinkwater by The True Crime Files instantly on your tablet, phone or browser - no downloads needed. It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). Video, 00:01:20, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. Thanks again ~ Christine, Your email address will not be published. profiling. found on Muriels coat and D.N.A. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample . The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. 'Each case is reviewed periodically. They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . Advertisement. "Each case is reviewed periodically," he adds. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[1]='FNAME';ftypes[1]='text';fnames[2]='LNAME';ftypes[2]='text';fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[3]='ADDRESS';ftypes[3]='address';fnames[4]='PHONE';ftypes[4]='phone';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Liked it? Im not sure how much of a farming business the family had or if they just casually sold eggs like many people in the country do. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. A brother, nephew, grandson. He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. . The reason given for sealing the files was that it could help the police catch the perpetrator. Mudgee General Cemetery. Her mother later went to the village to look for her when she did not return home; more than a dozen men from the area began a search. I have spoken to former D.C.I Paul Bethel and given him this information. Her body was eventually found in a nearby lane, but it was the discovery of her handkerchief in the shops shed which saw Jones accused and stand trial for her death. Thank you once again and I wish you every success with your forthcoming publication. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. Video, 00:01:00One-minute World News, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. Hoyles lamented, For years, Ive lived with the knowledge that some people in the community suspected me. Hi Neil. You can Google ones in your area or check out Twitter (but I recommend checking their credentials). However in 1965 he was registered as Harry Stevens in Putney AND at the same time he rented a property in Aldensley Road Hammersmith and was also registered but using the name Harry Jones. On his way home, he passed Muriel as she walked along the path. "It does make you think that Muriel Drinkwater (who passed her 11-Plus to get into grammar school) is the sort of girl he would have been interested in. I think it was suggested that the police thought that the family knew more than they were letting on. This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. Medicaid to cut 14 MILLION Americans from health coverage as states crack down on eligibility for the first time in three years after numbers soared during COVID - so are you at risk? request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. Hey Babes!I'm back with another True Crime Tuesday case and todays case is about the murder of Muriel Drinkwater also known as the little red riding hood mur. Hi Sherlock. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. The electoral register having been suspended because of the war means details are hazy about where he ended up - although he did eventually resurface in South London under the name Harry Stevens, leading some to believe he was also Jack The Stripper - the serial killer who battered and strangled a number of women across the capital during the 1960s. Hi Christine. The hardest part then was actually finding the materials," he told the documentary. Neil Milkins. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. Was a local stalking Muriel? But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. A village-wide search was swiftly underway, and at 4:30PM the following day Muriels body was located in a Japanese larch plantation near her home. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). She was hoping in her lifetime to find out who killed her aunt. She had been attacked on the lane and then she was dragged to where the body was left.". Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. It was believed a similar weapon had been used in the murder of a cinema manager in Bristol. Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. Video, 00:02:56, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? The police statement that Jones was ruled out is a misleading statement. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. D.S. I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. Play it now! We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. Updated: August 30, 2013 . I informed D.C.I. 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Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. Regards. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. In 2008,Detective Chief Inspector Paul Bethell located Muriels blue coat, underwear, and school uniform in police storage. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. "That sounds pompous, but I knew that really he was a simpleton, but I didn't detect any menace in him.". profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). A different D.C.I. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. The unanswered question, however, is whether or not the killer was specifically waiting for Muriel or if any girl or woman who happened by would have made a suitable target. The 12-year-old attended Gowerton County Thank you so much for this detailed update. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". Muriel Jean Drinkwater Birth unknown Death 1983 Burial. This post deals with sexual assault and might be triggering for some readers. She was shot twice in the chest. Thank you for all your assistance in this matter, the information you have provided has proved to be very helpful. Arrested once again, Jones this time pleaded guilty to the charge of murder at aMonmouthcourt in November 1921. With the help from a niece of Muriel Drinkwater I pursued my research which led to South Wales Police taking a D.N.A. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. 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After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. Due to advances in forensic technology, we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case.. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. I contacted D.S. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. He stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name. The detectives in the programme got a breakthrough when they were able to track down Muriel's relative Martin Phillips, who had been six at the time of the murder. But when they tested a stain on Muriel's coat it did not come up with a link to child murderer Harold Jones - who is also suspected of being a serial killer dubbed Jack the Stripper. Great questions! Forensic scientist Dr Colin Dark said that the stain had been found on the lower flap of Muriel's coat. Despite a number of leads and suspects, police have not been able to identify her killer. [10], Police visited every house within 150 square miles and interviewed 20,000 men in Swansea and in neighbouring Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Video, 00:00:41, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. Please let us know how it goes. The case, which became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. ', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. Only by comparing D.N.A. But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. Muriel's death was known at the time as the Little Red Riding Hood Murder because of the bright red coat she was wearing. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. However, in 2008, a team of retired detectives investigating cold cases found Drinkwater's clothes in storage. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. Interesting case Christine. Hi Neil. Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. taken from Jones exhumed body can the police honestly say catergorically that Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. We got a partial profile, given that it was the oldest cold case with a semen stain on it that we had been working on.". Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. Officers are now examining a semen stain on Muriel's coat to see if it can be linked to Jones. 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